Talk:School subjects

Let's see if we can get this page to be about classes in general, and which ones are required. Then we can link to other pages that have information on specific classes . -- Andy 20:01, 24 Dec 2004 (EST)

Alright, check the CS pages for the format I've started them in. I suppose it doesn't matter if we're consistent, but either way... ~Chrax

yea, im not exactly sure how they work, but we should try to get them catagorized as well, like all of them in school subjects, and then math in a math catagory and such Andy 21:29, 24 Dec 2004 (EST)

I can't see any way that an extra math (or any subject, but math as an example) page would do anything but add clutter. Since each page (as I envision them) will have an official description as well as an academite's description of the class, there's not much need for a commentary page. However it might be nice to have the math teachers and math classes all on one page. Perhaps the teachers page and class page ideas weren't the best way of approaching this. We can always get it how we want it and then remove old pages that don't fit in. ~Chrax

What did you do to my description of chemistry!!! --Squishypickle 22:38, 24 Dec 2004 (EST)

I put it back. I don't think it belongs there, but I'll let you deal with that. I'm tired of this for tonight. ~Chrax

Youre dumb. My description clearly describes what you do in chemistry: write letters with lines connecting them. And dots.

Stu, that's a terribly unhelpful link, as it refers to "attached" documentation, and there's nothing really in it. -Chrax

okay - Stuey

Out of curiosity, who would be interested in building this into a study guide? For example, topics in each class could be given a section on the class page or their own page in which we describe them as well as we can? Or should we just link to the Wikipedia for stuff like that, instead of reinventing the wheel? -Chrax

That seems like a good idea to me, you could start off by taking stuff from the study guides. --Andy 23:59, 6 Mar 2005 (EST)

I see that the Micro requirement has been added, but it seems that no one has mentioned the new requirement in CS: CP1 and VB, making a total of four CS/Bio courses for the Trailblazers and later classes. Would someone mind updating that? --Ben

I didn't know anything about that. Are they requiring VB (actually VBA), or just two CS courses? Anyway, as this is a wiki, you are free to update this yourself. Many of our contributors just graduated, and as such we don't get much news (and will increasingly stop looking for it). -Chrax

Yeah, they're requiring Computer Programming I and Visual Basic for Applications, along with Biology and Microbiology for 2007 and beyond, at least according to the updated requirements page on the Academy website. I just didn't want to update it and find out I have no authority to do so, I guess... oh well. --Ben

Update: I just talked to Diana Schmitz today when she handed out the new schedules, and the situation is slightly different than before. Basically, we can't just take any two classes, but we in a sense aren't stuck with any immutable requirements either. Trailblazers will take a CSIS placement test around December to decide if we should take Introduction to Programming Using Visual Basic & Computer Programming I, Computer Programming I & Computer Programming II, or (if this is allowed anymore and the test goes this far, as I don't remember getting a clarification) Computer Programming II & Data and File Structures. -- Ben

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"The curriculum change for the class of 2007 requires that students take Programming I and Visual Basic for Applications." - As I understand it, those are just recommendations of some sort, and you don't have to take those specifically. Can anyone verify this? - Mpnolan 15:46, 22 Jul 2005 (EDT)

The Academy site now lists them both as core courses, with the requirement at the top of the page being that students (presumably Class of 2007 and beyond) must pass all of the core courses. Also, the total number of credit hours at the bottom includes both courses, pretty much removing all doubt in the matter. -- Ben

I would strongly suggest not rolling over and taking it. If nothing else, make sure you ask if you can skip that class and take another one in the subject. And if you *have* to take that class, make sure you get a damn good explanation out of them. (And if you can find it within you, a bit of justified outrage can help them see the light.) -Chrax

I can definitely say that there will be some questioning going on... honestly I don't think the class should be required, as it seems to be pretty much useless based on what people here thought of it. However, I doubt any amount of resistance will change the fact that my class will have to take it. It still is pretty annoying, though. -- Ben

Not only is the class useless and outdated, but it is redundant when Programming I is also taken. Most of both classes' content is on rudimentary programming constructs (e.g., if-then statements and the concept of subroutines). Why take two classes with so much overlap be taken? If someone wants to further programming knowledge, why shouldn't he be allowed to take Programming 1 and 2 and ignore VBA entirely? I have a feeling the decision to list both as core classes was pretty arbitrary or maybe even a mistake, and I'm going to bring it up as soon as I get back. - Mpnolan 00:07, 2 Aug 2005 (EDT)

Don't go in assuming you can't change things. Idealists eventually burn out into cynics (or they become dead inside), but you won't change a thing by being cynical right from the off. Your best bet is to make it extremely clear that you're not going to take their shit. Talking works up to a point, but at some point you may need to do a bit of rallying, as they seem to take vast majorities more seriously than one upset student. (I should emphasize that petitioning should not be the first tactic. You can try talking to your RCs, but Cleo doesn't seem to give two shits what they have to say. However, when immediate action is needed and the administration won't listen to reason...) -Chrax

That sounds good, but by not taking the class all I'm doing (unless the student body can actually change something) is preventing myself from graduating, which doesn't exactly give me the upper hand in any type of argument/request that might begin. All that I will probably do is ask (reasonably) why it is required and then take it as late as possible if nothing, including any vast majority uprising, convinces them of the stupidity of the requirement. Honestly, judging by the results of the May Session Petition (the "nominal concessions"), I don't think the admnistration is going to care even if the whole student body doesn't want to take the class. Plus, I really don't want to start off my first year sounding like an overly whiney and rebellious person, which I don't think I am, as it probably can only go downhill from there. Anyways, according to Dr. Samudzi's slides on the May Session at the preview day, he had it listed as being offered during May Session for my second year, so I'll probably just take it then. --Ben

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